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But yes, horny = big brain time.

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Meditative sex is difficult and takes a whole buncha time. I don't do it that often. I don't have the time. But my experience of tulpamancy is... more than just what you would call loving-kindness, or self-love.

Zen

Anyway about the tenets. The first tenet mostly pertains to whether you think tulpas are external. As I've mentioned before I think this does have metaphysical concepts attached to it that can be directly damaging, this one I could see being a problem. But not inherently. I actually think it wouldn't be a problem at all as long as you were expecting something angelic, for instance. For the second tenet, this is mostly about not telling other people about you being a tulpamancer, and doesn't directly pertain to tulpamancy itself? For the third, I think it is good that people know that dissipation isn't some sort of murderous end. However, the extra stuff that's attached to it there is mostly superfluous. Of course system mates can leave. Of course the structure of the mind can be altered with time and patience in changing the reflexes. And so on. I could actually see an alternative take here that would cause people distress if they took this to mean "There's no getting rid of them when they're here, at all." Which technically it reads as.

Huh, well that's apart of the problem. Every single one of our system-mates have a different interpretation of what what the self is. And sometimes in discussing it, the discussion leads into the very boring talk of deities, and seeing a sort of divine self in just the current of existing. I don't know but that sounds boring to me. So much so that the self might just be the sensation of existing in a continuum of shared existence, which is okay I guess, but a lot less mystical than not knowing. But if it were, then the self can be externalized onto the surrounding universe or interpreted, and oh boy this is rabbit hole. nope. Oh! On not telling people about us being a tulpamancer, that's not the point of the tenet. No one outside of our system can possibly share our experiences, as in, experience them right there with us.

But then how does tenet 2 actually apply? As a rule?

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It seems more like an abstraction than a code.

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How does it change your behaviour?

We may be a system but we are also one body, one mind, and one shared experience between ourselves. This cannot be penetrated by anyone else. And the illusion of that is dangerous as well as hypnotic.

This was set into place after a run in with a very... interesting sort of group online called the Marrokey, who's leaders explicitly groomed others on the promise that they could make them better. I'm not even going to mention how tulpas played a part in that. This tenet is the statement that the system itself stands alone and apart from any other mind than the one it has, undefiled and certain of whatever decision it must make. Let no other person come in saying they can change the base of who we are collectively. That can only be done by us. It is us, collectively who decides what is best for us. It is the judgement of our mind that is the edict we must respect, and our mind is the only searchlight that kind find our own truth. Which plays into the interpretation of realty. What we see is our interpretation, shared by no one else. And directly trying to impose our interpretation of reality onto others is only because we we feel insecure or threatened, and must be dealt with caution.

8:52 PM

Simply said, everyone experiences things differently. And that also applies to system members as well.

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Even if I do get annoyed by some of my system-mates not seeing eye to eye with me, it's how it is. And I'm glad they're confident in that. I guess lmao. Salty ass over here. XD

That seems like a somewhat reactionary defence mechanism. I don't think that's helpful at all. By that reasoning if you need a psychologist they cannot help because they are not able to understand your perspective and mind.

8:54 PM

That's just not true.

Wh- That's also not what I mean-

8:55 PM

How to explaaaain this.

Scrutinizing who you place your trust in is fine, but frankly, you need to be able to trust that someone's opinion might actually be more valid than yours, even for your own decisions. The issue with cult-like behaviour and grooming isn't that they don't understand or can't dictate your identity to you: they actively can, that's how suggestion works for all forms of learning. The issue is that they were untrustworthy people.

This has more to do with Ann Rand's interpretation of the personal experience. But anyway, authors who's names I forgot how to spell aside. As said before, you can share your experience with individuals outside of your experience. But that's just sharing theory. And they giving theory back in the attempt to help you. That's not directly being told that someone else has dominion over your mind. And it's definitely not being told how to think, or how to act in coded specific ways in search for knowledge or information you could get with your own abilities, if you merely believed in yourself.

Yeah this definitely sounding like Ann Rand. Hold on.

9:01 PM

AHA

9:01 PM

Ayn Rand.

9:01 PM

I spelled it wrong xD

I mean, I think that's fundamentally wrong as well: Empathy exists to directly give us the experiences of others. It can be flawed, but it can also be quite accurate.

9:03 PM

Furthermore, you don't have dominion over your own mind at any point in your existence, because your learned behaviours from youth weren't your own.

9:03 PM

Zen is the way he is and values intellect above all else because he was taught that it feels good to feel smart by his parents at a young age. That kind of thing.

9:04 PM

Nearly all our values that aren't basic instincts or fears can be traced to either nurture from culture or family.

9:10 PM

Also I've managed to cut you off, gib fifth tenet pls.

Also to clarify: I don't think that your tenet there is strictly bad or anything like that, but I would point out that if alternate interpretations of it exist and are equally (or more) functional, or even just more true, then the tenet itself is superfluous. It feels like a complex way of telling yourself to be careful around people on the internet with a bunch of extra logic tacked on. And I don't think it pertains to tulpamancy in particular, even still. In fact, in the context of tulpamancy, allowing yourself to experience suggestion from someone skilled in tulpamancy is absolutely a valid tactic to get a tulpa, if you want one, and you can trust their word.

Zen

Furthermore, you don't have dominion over your own mind at any point in your existence, because your learned behaviours from youth weren't your own.

End yet, I think that does more harm than good. Though I'm not sure. I'm the "we all need to be safe" sort, but I believe people should have faith in their ability to pilot their own lives, however way they see fit. Let no man or woman go through life with the temple of his soul, self, or peace of mind defiled by the wishes of anyone else trying to tell them what is right, while concealing the truth from them. Let them join hands with others if they wish, and walk alone when they desire. Confide in others or seek inward for other forms of wisdom and comfort. May they never be so evil as to defile the seat of another's identity and insert their own interpretation of events to win power over them, and may these yet to be victimized few know the difference between that, and others trying to understand. There is an inherit strength in not allowing others to tell you what you are, and that's a sentiment I begrudgingly see in my system-mates. Many of them do not like it when I refer to them as a tulpa, instead of their naturally developed classification or no classification at all. And in a world with so many terms for tulpas and what they are, they've somehow managed to avoid the bigger questions of what they are, while ignoring the pressure of finding truth and belonging in normalized tulpamancey terminology. It's one of the reasons why some system-mates who actually front with me choose not to speak to tulpamancey communities with tupper, instead taking a break until I or my overeager friend are done. It's not because they neccisarily don't appreciate all of you. It's just that they have no need to intergrate themselves with this world in that way. And sometimes, although my over eager friend doesn't share this sentiment, I wonder how they could actually be happy like that. Until I remember this tenet and understand that they don't need to feel validated by speaking in communities such as this. They are curious, but they don't have to engage. They're content to just be as they are. Off and on again they may ask to say something, but in the end they shrug and return to what they were doing.

9:21 PM

This of course is all operating on the idea that everyone is alone in their singular experience, and there's strength and resolve in being happy with yourself, and having the strength to know when others do not share your contentment, and when they do but have good theory to to add to your interpretation of well... your interpretation! Lmao

End yet, I think that does more harm than good. Though I'm not sure.

This is the only part of that statement I would... not agree with. Not disagree. But not agree, either. Suggestion is a neutral, and exploitable (without and within) thing that exists in all of us, and yes I actually agree with all of the rest and think people should as a general rule be both confident and skeptical and self-determining. (edited)

9:23 PM

It is also more omnipresent than you think.

9:23 PM

It's a fundamental part of how the brain processes information that it makes presumptions, and those presumptions always come from outside of us.

9:24 PM

But anyway, last tenet!

Oh right-

9:25 PM

That tenet-

The fifth tenet has everything to do with the distinction of identity. Identity is important, but ever evolving as the individual it applies to. This does not relate to tulpamancey, accept in the case of niche distinction. Every active participant of the system has a niche, and this niche serves their identity in both an emotional and spiritual way. It is never good for anyone, thoughtform or host, to feel as though they are not an integral part of the mind they are connected to. Because of this, the system should be given specific assets that they can find pride, meaning, and purpose in. And these assets should always be acknowledged. For example, those that front have inherit privileges those that do not have, but that no more makes them important or special as the individuals who merely exist in a wonderland. It only gives them the right to take control of situations that they feel comfortable leading. This also applies to the actual host, who may have the responsibility of taking care of the entire system, and acting as figurehead. But this does not mean they are given special treatment. We all come from the same mind. No one should feel invalidated by the responsibilities or niche of another member of the system, and no one should hold their identity and niche above others. Not even the host. We are all connected. There is distinction only to make us individually content and proud, and self aware. And likewise, the distinction between ourselves and other systems should be a direct mirror of that. We should feel content and proud, and self aware, but never hold that over others.

9:44 PM

i hope I explained that one as clearly as possible.

9:50 PM

In any sense, those are all the guidelines I can think of off the top of my head.

9:50 PM

I feel like I'm missing something, but eh

Oh now we're getting into the good shit.

Oh god-

9:52 PM

xD NOOO MORE

9:52 PM

Even if there was another tenet, my fingers broke

9:53 PM

The other stuff is just background stuff flying around and impacting how we do things.

In case you haven't caught on yet, a topic I have discussed at length here is that I am in fact, a dom. The other two up in here are subs. So I must disagree heartily, you see. These weirdos actually want me to be the main show, and for their privileges to be a matter of my whims. Sickos, really. Consequently their only internal role is really ultimately their own and my gratification. And it seems to be going pretty well for everyone involved! I am literally the only one in this system who actively makes sure the others are actually continuing to develop and do self-deterministic things. I am the one who pushes them toward their niche. I also hold pretty indisputable control over the body and I do actually consider it wholly mine, to share or deny them as I please, even if I tend to share.

OH NO ANOTHER ONE

9:57 PM

NOOOOO

9:59 PM

It kinda used to be that way, before the "divide" in our system.

10:00 PM

Hmm.

You used to have tulpa sex slaves?

10:00 PM

Neat.

10:01 PM

Anyway it is definitely time for shower and I must sleeb as well. I will leave on that bombshell, good night.

10:02 PM

God damnit someone asked me a question right then in the other chat.

10:02 PM

grumbles on over there

10:04 PM

There they go lmao

Okay okay, now I'm done, sleeby showery time.

10:06 PM

buh bye

10:08 PM

SLEEP WELL

Zen

You used to have tulpa sex slaves?

I mean.

10:17 PM

Not me.

10:17 PM

That would be the old host of our system.

10:18 PM

Otherwise known as Fritz/Athens

10:19 PM

Can ya'll seriously imagine me doing that? I think I'm a sub. wheeze

Question, do any of you do trancework art for your tulpamancy stuff?

Sounds cool, do you?

1:29 AM

Share pls :3

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I am slowly realizing my system is much more insane than the average system.

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Anyway, the bottom image is our three fronters. Or atleast an abstract form of them.

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Fritz/Athens is the very bottom.

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Dakota in the middle.

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Corra/Sinmara coiled half hazzardly to the side.

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This one is just trancework telling us about someone that recently entered our lives.

1:37 AM

She's someone who lives about two towns down and has been a good friend.

Awesome shit btw

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Super freaking sick

For some reason you call also tell the various areas in the background, to which each are associated.

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Trancework is basically the process of throwing the contents of your subconscious down by explicitly feeling what you draw, instead of seeing.

1:42 AM

Most of the art is in pen because I find erasing to be both a waste of energy and kinda prevents you from getting in the right mindset. It's not meant to be perfect.

1:42 AM

Trancework is also used in meditative forms, but I prefer art.

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I'm just gonna let these two pieces speak for themselves.

1:46 AM

That's it for now. Technology trancework is not meant to be shared, but since I'm no longer apart of that customary lock and load sort of culture and community, I'm just going to share them outright.

1:46 AM

Yep. That's it for now.

1:47 AM

Trancework in meditation is very similar to the art aspect of it. You just let your mind flow. Flow with information and ideas, and ride the tide of that. (edited)

Impressive work.

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Question, do any of you do trancework art for your tulpamancy stuff?

Also I've never heard of the practice codified for art specifically at all, but I'm familiar with the concept of using trances and gnosis, as the chaos wizards would call it, for basically anything and everything. I tend to get into that sort of hyper-focused space with writing.

Zen

I didn't learn it from an outside source. Not a creditable one, atleast. My therapist in Illinois has me draw these pieces to help illustrate what was happening in my mind.

12:21 PM

Drawing for information became daily practice for myself, to communicate with me.

As for writing, we do that as well.

12:39 PM

Only for us it is more of a taxing "Athens is creating shit now" feeling.

I think I briefly talked to my tulpa last night? I was doing a hypnosis and usually when I get very tired I hear voices or scenarios start playing. But at the end of the hypnosis I wasn't tired anymore. Not SO tired to create the delusions

2:32 PM

But I said smthn (forgot what it was) but I got an immediate answer. It wasn't me so-

Giivuci I was trying to sleep last night. But I decided to parrot with my tulpa instead. So I was talking to him, showing him the wonderland again, (which is the serenity teapot) but for some reason, Sayu (a tulpa I wanted to create as well) just popped up saying she was tired-. I couldn't see her/visualize her. Her voice was just there

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A walk-in?

8:39 AM

Pop-up tulpa.

Ranger, saw your post on SSRIs. I could not create my Gabby until I took myself off of zoloft, also it made me extremely nihilistic. It's like I was a -1 in the visuals department.

I'm having trouble finding which one if you don't mind linking it to me Gray gave me permission to say which drugs we were and are on- The Zoloft was what made everything in wonderland really weird. We're actually on Lexapro right now Technically we have weird symbolism for both of them but the Zoloft symbolism was really weird (edited)

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